#Rome 2 vs atilla series#

#Rome 2 vs atilla series#

Units would also internally shift men around in the middle of engagement in those couple of second lulls (nothing like the TV series of course personally I suspect it was more individual, with wounded and exhausted men cycling either alone or in small groups rather then a whole section of line at once, to avoid creating an opening the enemy would charge into). It still requires a decent level of organization, and an enemy that isn't pushing too aggressively, but its certainly not something you did in the middle of being engaged. And I'm not talking about the couple of seconds you get in the middle of combat between groups of armed men when the front ranks catch their breath, but actual breaks that would take place, often minutes. That's not true, we have many account, expecially from Livy, telling as how retreating units were received 'intra ordines' or 'intra signa', wich means between lines or maniples.that thing of recycling men it's a wird theory from Hbo Rome.They did it in breaks between the fighting. If any, we only need the ability to walking backward for some discipline infantry so they could orderly retreat. Turning your back against enemy sword should always be punishing. Cavalries need to be use with care and reserve for decisive attack, allowing cavalry to retreat without sustainable damage are both unrealistic and killing the strategic important of correct cavalry usage. Circle charge was pretty much a novelty, while most cavalry charge is a single shot weapon since effectively extracting and reorganizing an engaged cavalry unit is almost impossible except for a very few extreme discipline regiment. Many stupid strategy such as yolo cavs frontal charge into enemy troop for HP damage then safely walk away amid a storm of swords was direct consequent on such terrible mechanics.ДЄ war horse with its hot temper and sheer strength is a night mare for any foot soldier in melee, but the horse size make it very difficult to turn around and disengaging. The pull through mechanic in Rome II is terrible, glad that CA fixed it in Attila.

THis is axactly hoГ§w it should be : cavalery should not be able to disengage and charge on demand, this is unrealistic arcade game stuff. Magnar was pulling back some medium cav just after a charge and you could see the cav's morale falling briefly before they were able to reorganise themselves and charge again. But in a Vae Victis's let's play video I saw something similar. But it was just making the tactics more complex. In the end, the result was as wanted since your unit was out of melee and taking its place behind. And because of the toggable guard mode, the unit which was facing the retreating unit was sometimes chasing it which could sometimes make the front line collapse. EB is very good for that since routing troops can rally by themselves and come back in line fast, it was creating a very realistic dynamic where you would see some troops loosing ground and briefly routing if they were pulled back at a wrong time. If it's elite troops it won't change anything anyway.

I don't know about casualties, but the moral of a unit should be challenged a bit when pulled back. Of course you want to have a reserve unit take the place of the first one : I understand how in theory it should work perfectly especially if combined with quincunx formation. And Attila is in the end of the empire, quality of troops have declined a lot : in his 'The secret history' Procope mention how during the Justinian wars, in his vbattle speech, a Sassanid general reminds to his soldiers that the romans are usuallly very disorganised once the battle starts. Maybe not with elite profesionnal troops used to fight in formation like the republican or early empire roman army but even then if the ennemy is pushing strong there is a risk. Disengaging units withoout creating chaos and panic in the ranks was a very rare skills.